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98 Octane Fuel vs 95

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by baobab68, Jul 20, 2017.

  1. Vin Petrol

    Vin Petrol Copenworld Regular

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    They'd have to modify their engine, or there are some additives advertised but I haven't looked up how effective they are.

    Or, they can take the ethanol out apparently... though that would reduce the octane, if you have an old classic car it's probably designed for 80 anyway so this ethanol removal kit might be worth it, if a pain in the ass. Ethanil Standard Kit

    The main problems are corrosion of rubber and plastic, and water absorption. It's also weaker - 1g of ethanol contains less energy than 1g of petrol, so you're getting less value for your money, less mileage from your tank full. It also doesn't last as long, some E10 can have a 90 day shelf life - so not good if you store your car over winter!

    Ethanol can corrode seals ect and that debris can be carried into your engine and clog stuff up. Ethanol also absorbs water pretty well and turns into a gum which sinks to the bottom of your petrol tank, you might not get a problem with that if it's low humidity where you are in Australia and you run with your tank topped up, but anywhere wet and if you let your fuel drop low often (meaning more air in the tank, so more moisture to bind with the ethanol) you might get enough sludge to seriously ruin your day.
    I'd try for as little ethanol as possible every time, as each bit increases the wear on your engine seals and gaskets plus risks clogs in your fuel system!

    For the UK guys:-

    The majority of unleaded 95 Octane petrol sold in the UK contains 5% ethanol as required under Governments Renewable Transport Fuels Obligation (RTFO)

    Since Jan this year they can add up to 10%, but it has to be labelled E10.

    Esso super unleaded petrol (Esso Energy Supreme) is ethanol free (except in Devon,Cornwall, the Teeside area and Scotland) and we have no current intention to add ethanol to Esso Energy Supreme in other areas of the UK.

    Total and Mobil 1 filling stations contain 0% in premium fuel according to head office. (2016)

    BP - 5% is contained in our regular unleaded petrol (similar to the majority on sale today)
    Ref BP Ultimate - " This is an evolving situation (in line with government guidelines) and we are unable to give you catagorical assurances of the absence or presence of ethanol throughout the supply chain of our BP Ultimate petrol"

    TEXACO (Verado) - BOTH our regular and super grades of unleaded petrol contain 5% ethanol at present.

    SHELL UK - BOTH our regular and super grades of unleaded petrol contain 5% ethanol at present.
     
  2. jez77

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    I assume Copens aren't sold there or are modified to suit
     
  3. jez77

    jez77 Copenworld Regular

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    I assume Copens aren't sold there or are modified to suiti
     
  4. marnob

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    Probably put an Octane booster in it. At the very least some injector cleaner regularly.
    My Brother ran E10 in his Holden Commodore V6 for a number of years as it was compatible.
    After having to spend $700+ on the cleaning the engine, injectors etc out he now runs it on 95 and every now and again 98.
    This was on the advice from his mechanic, even though it said you can use it, he said it soots up the engine real bad after a while.
    It had lost power as well.
    Just don't use it period he reckons. Will cost you way more in the end, than scabbing out on paying for the good fuel.
    If you want your engine/turbo to last, then give it good fuel and good oil.
    And change the oil every 5000 Kms! Your Turbo will thank you....
     
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  5. Salieri

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    Which countries have mandatory E10? I guess its tough luck for them
    We still have a choice between 95 E5 and E10, also there is 102 octane without any alcohol in it
     
  6. Vin Petrol

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    E20 has been mandatory in Brazil since 1977! Columbia has had mandatory E10 since 2003, those are all as far as I know. E10 is available a lot of places through Europe but it's a mandatory upper limit, not lower, but it's cheaper so most will put as much as they're allowed in probably.
     

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